Goodbye Jol, hello Ramos

Edgar Davids Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 2497

I remember the feeling of not wanting Daveeeeeed Ginola to go some years ago. It stinks. Evil or Very Mad

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Edgar Davids Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 2497

A new manager (even a reputable and well known one) may not necessarily bring us to the 4th place we all hope for. On the contrary, he may bring disruption to the team. Bale, Boateng, Bent etc may be wondering whether they will be picked by the new man.

Look at Jacques Santini - a world cup winner with France and see what he did to us! Even if the board is appointing Capello, I still don't want to see Jol go at this point of the season when he isn't afforded to play his best players like King, Dawson, Lennon, Bale etc yet.
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Founding Father Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 1704

I agree Jezza, there are far better managers out there than BMJ. What I don't agree with is replacing a manager so soon into a new season. If the Board were truely unhappy with BMJ then he should have packed his bags a month ago. Allowed a new coach time to settle in and work with the players in preseason. Now all we'll end up with this season is transition as uncertainty creeps in and players come and go. Without BMJ 10th spot and no Europe is looming large. With BMJ and a fully fit squad we've got a good chance of 4th and definitely another uefa cup spot, worst case.

And I'm also unhappy at the underhanded, unprofessional way the board is conducting matters - in full view of their current employee and through the media. Its a disgrace and something that is unacceptable in any line of business. No one would want to be at the receiving end of this stinky affair. Not least a person who's passionate about the club and relatively speaking has a good track record. Levy and Comoli have a considerable amount to answer for as this reflects very poorly on this once very great club. Another sad chapter in our modern history.

Edgar Davids Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 3552

Ezza - I did say I personally would wait until end of season.

I think 5th spot last season gave us a false sense of security. Forget about cup runs for a moment - you must be judged on your league finish.

With all the injuries Arsenal had last season, it was a perfect opportunity to grab a CL spot. We did finish okay but we spent most of the season chasing a UEFA cup spot, which at one stage was looking doubtful. It was in my opinion a needless step back. Jol said himself he felt our squad was stronger than previous season despite losing Carrick.

Football can be harsh cos there is a very fine line between success and failure. For me, the great managers are those that manage to influence the game by making a tactical change.....doing something bold, out of the ordinary. Jose did it against us - taking a left back off after 20 odd minutes and switching to just 3 at the back.

I've never felt Spurs are capable of clinching 4th spot this season. I said that prior to the KO. Sunderland/Everton reinforced my opinion. This season there are stronger clubs than Spurs. Newcastle, Man City and Pompey are very capable of finishing above us.

If pressure from fans bring about a change of opinion from the board I guarantee Spurs will finish outside top four. Jol is NOT taking us to 4th. Just don't see it. In which case the season under Jol is already a write off. ( oh hang, Spurs fans are suppose to be content with 5th spot ). Well I'm not and if Levy has idenified someone who he think can compete with the likes of Wenger/Fergie/Jose etc, and turn us into 4th spot contender THIS season he has my backing. Sure, we'll have some good nights with Jol in charge, but no way are we going to finish 4th. Arsenal had there transition season 05'06.

I would have replaced Jol in the summer, but it was difficult. Had Spurs finished in 7th-8th spot, where we had been for most of the season, he would have gone.

It had been handled poorly but I'll also reserve judgment on Levy until May. He is no fool. He might yet land us a top four spot.

Edgar Davids Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 3552

I have to say though - virtually every Spurs fan I speak to is pro Jol. If he is sacked the Board are in for one hell of a rocky time from the fans.

I agree with Ezza on the handling of the situation. I have however always let it be known I rate Levy higher than Jol so I feel compelled to back him.

What a shame it's come to this - very messy.

Gary Stevens Age : 30 Joined : 24 Jul 2007 Posts : 1798

Bookies Sack Jol And Make Ramos Odds On Favourite To Succeed Him
Ramos 2/5 favourite to succeed Jol:
BOOKIES SACK JOL - AND START BETTING ON WHO'LL BE NEXT TO GO.......With the uncertainty about Martin Jol's position causing confusion over his immediate future, bookmakers William Hill have removed him from their betting for who will be the first Premiership manager of the season to leave his club - and started betting without him. 'The only people looking to back Martin Jol to be the first boss to go are those who believe they know rather more than we do - and as they almost certainly do, we are not inclined to hand them an early Christmas present by continuing to quote them odds. So we have taken the decision ourselves to sack Martin Jol from our list and bet without him - making Sammy Lee 7/4 favourite to be the next Premiership manager for the chop' said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.
Hills have taken bets for Jol to be the first to go at odds of up to 9/1, at which price one customer has staked £300, and will obviously honour all such bets should he prove to be the winner of that market. 'We will face a modest, five figure payout should Jol be the first boss out, and don't believe that punters with inside information have been taking advantage of the odds on offer. But if we carried on betting we would most certainly be at the mercy of those with access to sources close to the club - and would deserve all the financial punishment we would undoubtedly receive'.
William Hill - First Premiership manager to go - betting without Martin Jol - 7/4 Sammy Lee; 7/1 Chris Hutchings; Gareth Southgate; 8/1 Harry Redknapp; 9/1 Steve Bruce; 14 Curbishley; 16 Davies; Sanchez; 25 Allardyce; Keane; Moyes; O'Neill; 33 Benitez; Hughes; Mourinho; Wenger;
40 Coppell; Eriksson; No Manager To Go During Season; 50 Ferguson.
**JUANDE RAMOS has been installed as 2/5 favourite to become the next permanent Spurs manager with William Hill, who make Marcello Lippi 4/1 second favourite, with Jurgen Klinsmann at 5/1 and Harry Redknapp 8/1.

Founding Father Joined : 05 Jun 2007 Posts : 3522

8/1? Should be evens...

Gary Stevens Age : 37 Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 1266

Sorry Jezza but (in my book) thats all toffeecock.

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Founding Father Joined : 05 Jun 2007 Posts : 3522

another killer Twiglet post. The quote king has arrived...

Edgar Davids Joined : 06 Jun 2007 Posts : 2497

Beleaguered Tottenham boss Martin Jol has the full support of the dressing room, according to striker Robbie Keane.

If widespread press reports are to be believed, then Jol could be working on borrowed time at White Hart Lane, despite the new season being just three games old.

After two successive defeats pressure was undeniably building up on the affable Dutchman, but a 4-0 thumping of Derby at the weekend demonstrated that the club's players are still firmly in their manager's camp.

Pressure mounts

That has not, though, stopped speculation that Jol could be facing unemployment, with Sevilla coach Juande Ramos a name thought to be firmly in the frame should Spurs wield the axe.

Keane believes there is no need to panic at such an early stage of the campaign and has backed the club's players to be united in their desire to propel Tottenham up the table.

Rallying call
"At times like this you have to stand up and be counted," he told the Daily Star.

"It is important now that we rally round each other and get ourselves together.

"What I do know is that, in this league, once you string a few wins together you can quickly make up lost ground.

"You can't judge anything until about ten games in when the league table takes some kind of shape."
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Gary Stevens Age : 30 Joined : 24 Jul 2007 Posts : 1798

Spur'd On - I think your posts make a lot of sense once all the emotion is stripped away. We all love BMJ because he is obviously a decent bloke, likes a smoke and a drink, knows the Tottenham history (quotes Bill Nick) and he's shown his class in lots of situations (e.g. the Mendes "goal" at OT, the spat with Wenger on the touchline at Highbury). However, we have all at various times questioned his tactics (or lack of them), especially away from home where we don't score enough goals and his loyalty to players (Stalteri, Jenas, Tainio, Davids in his last season) when they consistently under-perform and need a kick up the backside.
I still think he shd be given this season, but I take your points about whether he is (or now was) the man for the job.
Btw, I've got your book on Angkor, will return it next time I see you, it is in a safe place.

Daniel - I hope you don't know something we don't about Redknapp. No doubt he'd try to bring Campbell back with him. If so I'll have to return to England to lay siege to WHL to get our Tottenham back. AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGH!

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Gary Stevens Age : 30 Joined : 24 Jul 2007 Posts : 1798

If this is true, this is no doubt Paul Kemsley's work.

Redknapp wd be an unmitigated disaster.

He ahs had relative success by buying experienced players on high wages. He has no ideas about tactics and is an old fashioned motivator. He is also, by all accounts, corrupt as hell and West Ham through and through.

Next you'll be telling me that he's gonna bring Tony Adams along as his assistant...